ZA viking's Notizen, 08 Jun 19

The key to any diet is consistency. If you choose keto it should be a lifestyle change. I am a pharmacy student and our lecturers are also not at all in favour of keto because it has to be a lifetime change to be effective. I just can't see giving up fruit. But everyone has something that works I guess. 

I very much agree that the exclusion of food groups isn’t ideal. Healthy nutrition should be a sustainable lifestyle, and most of these “diets” aren’t. Our bodies need a balance of carbs, fats and proteins to function as they should.  

ZA Viking, I don't mean to be argumentative in my response, my intention is to address your post. I exclude an entire food group as I am a vegetarian. Huge numbers of the world population (especially in China and India) are vegetarian with no adverse health effects. It may not work for you, but works for others. I am a vegetarian for ethical reasons. (Plus I am 43 and I have zero health issues - I have an annual full medical. All my blood screens are better than they should be at my age. I have been vegetarian for 30 years.) I don't exclude carbs because I enjoy them. However, I find your graphs selective and misleading. I know ketosis works for some people, however, for me, I am don't personally have enough information to make a judgement call on the long term effects of keto on the liver and kidneys for me to do it myself. Anyway, to each his own here. It is not for me either - at this stage. In the US, the sugar intake has declined since the 70s, and the obesity numbers sky-rocketed, so your second graph is correct. But correlation is not causation as High Fructose Corn Syrup became the substitute for sucrose (sugar) in the 70s. Your graph is not an apples to apples comparison. HFCS replaced sugar in the US food industry in the 70s so of course sugar usage declined: HFCS is sweeter and cheaper. The graph is deliberately misleading. Also it is a USDA graph. The Department of Agriculture has a stake in pushing corn, wheat and sugar and is not an unbiased arbiter in the matter. It is far more likely to side with WHERE it's money comes from (Business/farmers) than have and interest in your health. This is the same USDA that has no problem with Monsanto and their products which are banned in the EU and selective bans here in SA.The US FDA (Food and Drug Administration is no better either). Politics and money over public health. I wouldn't cite either in health care. (I can't clearly see the Source: can you list it for me so I can look it up and who actually funded this particular study?) The first graph is also wrong as as of the mid 1970s, the US dietary guidelines advocated a HIGH carb, low fat diet. The USA dietary guidelines are still high carb, low fat: the first graph is completely misleading as to current US government policy and the basis of the US diet. It is not fat that is the problem in the US diet: it is HFCS. Added to this it is the AMOUNT HFCS/sugar, salt, fat, and portion size. Low fat isn't a problem either. Low fat has very little taste so food manufacturers add massive amounts of salt and sugar to over come this. It can be low fat but high calorie. (My double cream plain yoghart has less calories than a low fat strawberry version by the same manufacturer. It is lower in fat but full of sugar if you read the nutrition label. I stick to the full fat plain stuff - double cream at that.) Where I agree with you is that it is probably best to balance your diet in terms of your life style. People should also generally be careful of advice with no medical basis and well meaning people. Check sources and double check any claims for factual basis and accuracy.  

https://www.stephanguyenet.com/why-the-carbohydrate-insulin-model-of-obesity-is-probably-wrong-a-supplementary-reply-to-ebbeling-and-ludwigs-jama-article/ Not the study, but this guys website is the source of the graphs.  

Also being vegetarian doesn't mean you are excluding a food group. You probably get enough protein from dairy/ grains/ nuts. Your ratio is probably actually more appropriate than most people eating Mc Donalds and dead animals. It pays food companies to make food as palatable (addictive) as possible. If it's not sugar it's fat and of it's not either of those it's caffeine or whatever. That said I am not your doctor. I'm not anyone's doctor and my advice is worth very little.  

1stly, correlation does not equal causation. I am suspicious of the second graph. Carbs and sugar are not the same. I used to be in that camp. Now, I've been LC/Keto for 2 months and it is working really well for me. At the end of the day if it is right for you, then the body responds well. I think of it like allergies. If low carb is working for someone, then carbs are the enemy. Demonizing carbs comes with the territory. Please take it from where it comes and if it doesn't work from you ignore it.  

I hope you realise that this is a platform for people to talk about their various diets, whether you agree with them or not. Personally, I avoid talking about my diet at work or with friends, this is where I let off steam... 

it's not an exclusion of carbs. there's a lot of or rather more than enough carbs while doing keto.  

enough for the body to function optimally. keto works for me  

The only benefit of keto is adherence as far as I know. In the end only calories matter. You can lose weight on twinkies. I'd say eating a meat based low carb diet is pretty unhealthy though.  

Carbs are my enemy, am losing effortlessly for the first time. Skin glowing. Keto is definitely for me. It’s tough at times mentally since we grew up eating carbs and sugar. But I know this is the lifestyle for me.. 

Jaco you clearly don't know a lot about keto. Keto is not meat based it's a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet. There are many vegetarian who follow keto...and calories are not made equal. The type of food you eat impacts the way you function on a day to day basis... 

There's vegans on keto as well... no animal products involved at all... 

That's why I specifically said 'meat based' @Secret Slimmer.  

Guys, graphs or no graphs. One has to be comfortable with the lifestyle choice you make, and you have to see results. It will vary for everyone. Please just always remember, if you want to lose body mass, you cannot get past the law of thermodynamics: Energy In has be less than energy expended.